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[Winza.cc]

What is Winza?
Winza is an all-in-one interactive network featuring an online casino, investing platform & crypto exchange built upon an unique business model. Our network helps you build multiple revenue streams in a never seen way before!
Join us right away - winza.cc

What makes us unique?

? Provably fair games: Winza Lottery, Dice Game, European Roulette, Wheel of Fortune and the original Winza game "The Last Man Standing"​

? 1% house edge and 0% on happy hours for Dice Game​

? Bankroll investments: one of the very few casinos offering this!​

? An original stake system known as HODL program​

? Collect free money every hour up to $100 from our faucet​

? Highly profitable referral program with instant commissions approval​

? Crypto to USD (and vice versa) built-in exchange with low fees​

Instant USD & crypto deposits w/o KYC/AML​

Bitcoin Litecoin Dogecoin ?Perfect Money ? Payeer ? VISA, MasterCard, Maestro, BankWire & more!​

Min/max deposit & withdrawal amount?

?DEPOSIT​ Bitcoin: 0.0001 BTC / 10 BTC Litecoin: 0.01 LTC / 1000 LTC Dogecoin: 100 DOGE / 10000000 DOGE Perfect Money: 1 USD / 100000 USD Payeer: 1 USD / 100000 USD

? WITHDRAW​ Bitcoin: 0.0002 BTC / no max limit Litecoin: 0.03 LTC / no max limit Dogecoin: 1000 DOGE / no max limit Perfect Money: 1 USD / no max limit Payeer: 1 USD / no max limit

How to invest in our casino bankroll?
Winza is one of a kind network allowing its users to become investors anytime from as low as $50. Your funds will be mainly used to bankroll the house of casino under low risk margin profile through a smart algorithm developed by us returning you automatic daily gross dividends up to 5% in best scenario possible: we share 50% of casino winnings with our investors and the rest is reinvested back into Winza Network. (when calculating P/L, faucets and referral rewards are factored in)

1. Open a free account on winza.cc
2. Proceed to "My Wallet" page under the left menu and top-up your balance with a deposit
3. Start a new investment on "Bankroll Investments" by choosing the currency and amount you want to invest
4. That's it, you are now a casino shareholder!

Follow us to stay tuned!
Facebook: f.me/WinzaNetwork
Twitter: t.co/WinzaNetwork
Telegram:

? Official News Channel​

?? English Talk Group​

?? Russian Talk Group​

?? Vietnamese Talk Group​

?? Turkish Talk Group​

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[raptorak]

I am sorry that you've lost your investment especially considering that there was an (implied) level of trust that they apparently took advantage of. I have lost my bankroll investment and, of course, would like to have it returned. They can keep the "profits" made for all I care at this point. If you need any additional information please feel free to PM me.

Thanks! So, to start off, here's some info I've gathered over time about the admins.

There are three of them total:

iamthewall (@iamthewall on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): This is the lead developer for the site and the one who created the entire thing. His real name is believed to be Joe Shiels, as he uses the CodePen username "JoeShiels99" for his development testing).

Nick Szabo (@nick_szabo on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): Primarily focused on marketing as far as I'm aware. Did a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.

TheSurfer_cc (@thesurfer_cc on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): Primarily focused on support via Telegram. Unsure what other roles he had or his real name.

All three of them know each other in real-life and are located in Italy (I'm fairly confident in this as well because they often used Italian words in our private chat). Hosting of the site was via AWS and they used CloudFlare to help DDoS protect it so they have accounts and billing info for at least one of those.

I'll continue parsing through what I've gathered and add to the list a bit later but hopefully this helps people start linking things together to do some skip tracing! :)

 

[ponyboyvn]

Thanks! So, to start off, here's some info I've gathered over time about the admins.

There are three of them total:

iamthewall (@iamthewall on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): This is the lead developer for the site and the one who created the entire thing. His real name is believed to be Joe Shiels, as he uses the CodePen username "JoeShiels99" for his development testing).

Nick Szabo (@nick_szabo on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): Primarily focused on marketing as far as I'm aware. Did a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.

TheSurfer_cc (@thesurfer_cc on Telegram, last seen "within a month"): Primarily focused on support via Telegram. Unsure what other roles he had or his real name.

All three of them know each other in real-life and are located in Italy (I'm fairly confident in this as well because they often used Italian words in our private chat). Hosting of the site was via AWS and they used CloudFlare to help DDoS protect it so they have accounts and billing info for at least one of those.

I'll continue parsing through what I've gathered and add to the list a bit later but hopefully this helps people start linking things together to do some skip tracing! :)

From what I gather, you had more than a small amount invested in the site. I am rooting for you and if there's anything I can assist with, please do not hesitate to ask.

 

[PCMate]

I had doubts about this website because of unrealistically high bankroll investment program but since the website was located in the gambling section I deposited 10 Usd for playing games and occasionally staking rewards. Not to mention that this website was promoted here on BMF which additionally increased my trust but I still was sceptical because in the past couple of months 2 websites which were heavily promoted on this forum turned into a scam. That was a reason why I only deposited a small amount of money and unfortunately, I didn't even have time to spent everything because they are already gone.
I'm very disappointed but not because I lost my money but because this website had a great potential to be profitable for years but apparently admins decided to cash out and move to some new scam project. Websites like this, cloud mining schemes and stupid doublers are the reason why a lot of peoples are afraid of crypto and have stereotypes that everything associated with it is Panzi scheme...

 

[raptorak]

If anyone deposited using the USD methods, can you share info about the account you sent the funds to/if you withdrew, can you share info about the account that sent you funds? I'll add it to my data dump for requesting the police to subpoena information of the account holders and the linked bank accounts.

 

[ponyboyvn]

If anyone deposited using the USD methods, can you share info about the account you sent the funds to/if you withdrew, can you share info about the account that sent you funds? I'll add it to my data dump for requesting the police to subpoena information of the account holders and the linked bank accounts.

To clarify, you're asking for those who deposited USD (not BTC)?

 

[raptorak]

To clarify, you're asking for those who deposited USD (not BTC)?

Yep! The BTC deposit addresses were unique per user. I'll be running analysis on that as well if you or anyone else deposited crypto and wants me to pull info from there as well, but fiat will help directly right now since those accounts are verified and tied to identities. Crypto helps in a separate way, in that most transactions can be traced to specific exit points and can then be used to subpoena the exchanges or services used for all the details of the person that withdrew, :).

 

[ponyboyvn]

Yep! The BTC deposit addresses were unique per user. I'll be running analysis on that as well if you or anyone else deposited crypto and wants me to pull info from there as well, but fiat will help directly right now since those accounts are verified and tied to identities. Crypto helps in a separate way, in that most transactions can be traced to specific exit points and can then be used to subpoena the exchanges or services used for all the details of the person that withdrew, :).

I can certainly provide you with the TX confirmations. As I recall I didn't deposit USD. Shame on me for not remembering specifically but I am reasonably sure that I deposited only BTC - total of 2 BTC deposits.

 

[ponyboyvn]

I can certainly provide you with the TX confirmations. As I recall I didn't deposit USD. Shame on me for not remembering specifically but I am reasonably sure that I deposited only BTC - total of 2 BTC deposits.

And following up, deposits were made via a centralized wallet (KYC) so can verify who the depositor is.

 

[ELSA-ELI]

Perfect money can help you in gathering some data about them if you have some substantial proof.Facebook and bank wire transactions can also helpful gather more data about them if you Pursue with valid compliant.Hope you read carefully disclaimer policies about the company.IT SADDENS ME SO MUCH TO LEARN OF SUCH NEWS.

 

[raptorak]

And following up, deposits were made via a centralized wallet (KYC) so can verify who the depositor is.

Can you elaborate a bit on what wallet was used? I saw you said KYC so I assume some sort of exchange? That would help a lot!

Perfect money can help you in gathering some data about them if you have some substantial proof.Facebook and bank wire transactions can also helpful gather more data about them if you Pursue with valid compliant.Hope you read carefully disclaimer policies about the company.IT SADDENS ME SO MUCH TO LEARN OF SUCH NEWS.

Definitely. I'm hoping someone deposited using PM or Payeer and got payouts from them so I can reach out to them.

I'd also like if anyone with a bit more pull here can help see if we can get the BeerMoneyForum admin to share their method of paying to be featured, since that may help out as well. Essentially, the more info we have on their accounts the more there will be for when I start sharing easy guides on how to make reports and start pushing authorities to subpoena personal information from all the sources. I'll be writing up some cookie-cutter letters and making it as easy as possible for you guys so we can get as many reports sent in as possible and use that to add pressure for pursuing the situation.

I'm also actively doing some background stuff I can't share right now that takes a completely different path for doxxing them in the meantime, :).

I'm also preparing information and everything for both civil and criminal suits against them (civil for money and various other damages) and criminal because what they did is grand theft (federal crime) and various other crimes for each person they stole from. It's sad that this is the route they wanted to go, but such is life. So if you are out money, regardless of if it's $1 or $100k, please let me know. The more people they stole from the more charges and damages we can rack up and the harder we can push each company to divulge their information/get judges to subpoena their personal documents.

If anyone knows them, tell them I'm still currently willing to work with them personally to get everything settled. Once I hit a certain milestone all negotiations are off and I will reject any direct communication from them from that point forward.

 

[ELSA-ELI]

Can you elaborate a bit on what wallet was used? I saw you said KYC so I assume some sort of exchange? That would help a lot!



Definitely. I'm hoping someone deposited using PM or Payeer and got payouts from them so I can reach out to them.

I'd also like if anyone with a bit more pull here can help see if we can get the BeerMoneyForum admin to share their method of paying to be featured, since that may help out as well. Essentially, the more info we have on their accounts the more there will be for when I start sharing easy guides on how to make reports and start pushing authorities to subpoena personal information from all the sources. I'll be writing up some cookie-cutter letters and making it as easy as possible for you guys so we can get as many reports sent in as possible and use that to add pressure for pursuing the situation.

I'm also actively doing some background stuff I can't share right now that takes a completely different path for doxxing them in the meantime, :).

I'm also preparing information and everything for both civil and criminal suits against them (civil for money and various other damages) and criminal because what they did is grand theft (federal crime) and various other crimes for each person they stole from. It's sad that this is the route they wanted to go, but such is life. So if you are out money, regardless of if it's $1 or $100k, please let me know. The more people they stole from the more charges and damages we can rack up and the harder we can push each company to divulge their information/get judges to subpoena their personal documents.

If anyone knows them, tell them I'm still currently willing to work with them personally to get everything settled. Once I hit a certain milestone all negotiations are off and I will reject any direct communication from them from that point forward.

This is good ,I wish we had put up some precautionary measures so that when company owners scam without a concrete reason we could have where to start from without difficulties.Let's put up a social forum like intagram,Facebook or twitter or blog to fight online injustice.Am not a lawyer but don't like anything that infringe on people's rights.

 

[ponyboyvn]

Can you elaborate a bit on what wallet was used? I saw you said KYC so I assume some sort of exchange? That would help a lot!



Definitely. I'm hoping someone deposited using PM or Payeer and got payouts from them so I can reach out to them.

I'd also like if anyone with a bit more pull here can help see if we can get the BeerMoneyForum admin to share their method of paying to be featured, since that may help out as well. Essentially, the more info we have on their accounts the more there will be for when I start sharing easy guides on how to make reports and start pushing authorities to subpoena personal information from all the sources. I'll be writing up some cookie-cutter letters and making it as easy as possible for you guys so we can get as many reports sent in as possible and use that to add pressure for pursuing the situation.

I'm also actively doing some background stuff I can't share right now that takes a completely different path for doxxing them in the meantime, :).

I'm also preparing information and everything for both civil and criminal suits against them (civil for money and various other damages) and criminal because what they did is grand theft (federal crime) and various other crimes for each person they stole from. It's sad that this is the route they wanted to go, but such is life. So if you are out money, regardless of if it's $1 or $100k, please let me know. The more people they stole from the more charges and damages we can rack up and the harder we can push each company to divulge their information/get judges to subpoena their personal documents.

If anyone knows them, tell them I'm still currently willing to work with them personally to get everything settled. Once I hit a certain milestone all negotiations are off and I will reject any direct communication from them from that point forward.

I used Coinbase for both my deposit transactions. I know I made at least one withdrawal, as well, if that's of any assistance to you.

 

[ascott]

i think mr.B must be careful on choosing a project to advertise otherwise quality of advertisements get low, at that time i also thought to invest there but i havent much money that time so im not go for that ,lucky for me

 

[ponyboyvn]

I do agree that sponsored ads lend credence to the project, HYIP, casino, etc. BMF makes it clear in the adverts that it is in no way an endorsement and is not to be considered as such. That said, is there a way for the forum to vet the potential sponsor or perhaps offer any type of insurance? (for a fee, of course)

 

[ELSA-ELI]

I used Coinbase for both my deposit transactions. I know I made at least one withdrawal, as well, if that's of any assistance to you.

Coinbase has a provision for email instead of wallet address only when sending or recieving funds,did you recieve your funds and make deposits through email and did you get any email address from them by any chance?

 

[Joelitecoin]

I do agree that sponsored ads lend credence to the project, HYIP, casino, etc. BMF makes it clear in the adverts that it is in no way an endorsement and is not to be considered as such. That said, is there a way for the forum to vet the potential sponsor or perhaps offer any type of insurance? (for a fee, of course)

BMF have to bare some responsibility for this, I was getting emails from the BMF site promoting the Winza scam. In my mind this is false advertising. I'm the most responsible though for not doing enough due dilligence on BMF.

 

[ponyboyvn]

Coinbase has a provision for email instead of wallet address only when sending or recieving funds,did you recieve your funds and make deposits through email and did you get any email address from them by any chance?

I would receive confirmation emails from Coinbase whenever I conduct a transaction; however, those emails were not kept as the rtransactions were conducted in July 2020. It's easy enough for me to get the history of transactions related to Winza, though, and I can check if Coinbase provides any other means of confirmation.

 

[PCMate]

I never withdraw from them but I deposited once using Payeer. If I find the receipt I will send you image but since they used Payeer merchant API I think my deposit proof won't help you much... Also, Payeer doesn't care much about Scam projects and probably that is one of the reasons why a lot of Scam websites use Payeer as a payment processor. Not to mention fact that Payeer have 2000 dollars daily transaction limit for unverified users which is great for shady projects owners.

 

[ELSA-ELI]

I never withdraw from them but I deposited once using Payeer. If I find the receipt I will send you image but since they used Payeer merchant API I think my deposit proof won't help you much... Also, Payeer doesn't care much about Scam projects and probably that is one of the reasons why a lot of Scam websites use Payeer as a payment processor. Not to mention fact that Payeer have 2000 dollars daily transaction limit for unverified users which is great for shady projects owners.

That is the sad part for payeer,its policy towards combating scam is rather weaker. For perfect money you can report the account thst scammed you for fraud.And they will take it serious and thst account will 've mornitored and won't do further transactions probably.

 

[Reflink Affiliate]

I think I want my money back...
Did BMF promote this website?
I have around $60 on my account and the website is gone?